So finally my Dark Eldar were dusted off and hit the gaming table, if only a part of it, for their first games of 5th edition.
My initial thoughts are that they are still very much a glass hammer army (very fragile but can hit hard).
Compared with 4th edition the vehicles did seem a bit more resilient with the new damage table, but the big thing I found was that I hated scattering blast templates.
Ravagers used to hit on 3+ with their template, so unless you roll 4 or less for the scatter they only get a direct hit a third of the time. With opponents used to playing against the new blast template rules they spread out so even a direct hit was not getting too many models, plus the increased cover saves in 5th edition really put a dent in the disintegrator firepower. I was so ready to rush out and buy my 3rd ravager, but I'll probably stick to my previous heavy support of 2 ravagers and a Talos and see how it goes.
One thing I did like about the disintegrator was the lower powered shot, on many occasions I fired the low powered shot which allowed me to move 12” rather than 6”, this allowed me to manoeuvre so as not to give the enemy a cover save (eg. from their drop pod).
On the assault side wyches seemed only ok, a squad charged and killed (over 2 turns) 15 guardsmen, but when you consider the cost of guardsmen compared to wyches and their transport it doesn't seem so hot.
I used to run a pretty shooty Dark Eldar list at 1500 pts, however I like the idea of fast assaults, so now that the standard sized game seems to be 1750 pts I used the extra points to add some assault elements.
I'm wondering whether a hybrid list can work ? Do Dark Eldar only work as either wych assault or kabel shooty or can a hybrid list be viable ? I'll hopefully get some more ideas when I bring out the full list (in the next few weeks).
Rathstar
PS. Below is the current list I'll be taking to any games:
Archon - 137
Punisher, Tormentor Helm
Plasma Grenades
Shadow Field, Combat Drugs
Dracon with 5 Warrior Retinue – 105
2 Dark Lances
8 Wyches (incl Succubus) - 189
Succubus: Agoniser
2 Blasters
Raider
8 Wyches (incl Succubus) - 194
Succubus: Agoniser
2 Blasters
Raider with Disintegrator
Beastmaster & 5 Warp Beasts - 75
5 Warriors - 115
Dark Lance & Blaster
Raider with Disintegrator
8 Warriors (incl Sybarite) - 165
Sybarite: Agoniser
Blaster & Splinter Cannon
Raider with Disintegrator
5 Warriors - 110
Blaster & Splinter Cannon
Raider
10 Warriors – 110
2 Dark Lances & 2 Blasters
10 Warriors - 100
2 Dark Lances
5 Warriors - 110
Dark Lance & Blaster
Raider
Ravager (3 Distintegrators) - 120
Ravager (3 Distintegrators) - 120
Talos – 100
Summary
1750 Points, 81 Models, and a horrendous 20 Kill Points
11 Dark Lances, 9 Disintegrators, 10 Blasters, 2 Splinter Cannons
6 models with close combat weapons that ignore armour saves
My Disentegrators always cause havoc though I know what you mean about everyone spreading out.
ReplyDeleteWhen you say mixed list do you mean a Wych Cult with decent firepower or a Kabal with three Wych squads? Personally I like the idea of the latter.
By mixed list I meant either, and I agree a kabal list with assault elements appears more effective out of the two.
ReplyDeleteMy intended 1750 list isn't far off a kabal list with 3 wych squads, instead of a 3rd wych squad I've got a warrior squad upgraded for combat (only because the warriors are scoring).
I could make my intended list more shooty by dropping the talos and warp beasts for a dark lance ravager and a raider, but I'll see how my first games go before I start changing things. Hopefully my 11 dark lances and 10 blasters should be able to pop enough tanks :)
Rathstar